Seeking Channel Developer for Navi-X

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Seeking Channel Developer for Navi-X

Postby ironbill » Wed May 18, 2011 11:30 am

Hello World,

My name is Bill Daly (a.k.a. iRoNBiLL) and I work with Team Navi-X on a project known as Navi-X or the Navi-X Media Browser. Essentially, our application is a content aggregator for multiple platforms, currently including Boxee, XBMC and WiiMC. We are currently compatible on any platform you can install Boxee or XBMC on to, including Apple TV 2, iPhone 4 and iPads.

Doesn’t Roku Already Have Channels That Bring In Internet Content??
Yes… but we are a bit different. We are a collaborated effort of about a quarter million users who contribute links to “playlists” for browsing and playback from sources found within Navi-X. This means anyone using Navi-X can share content with other Navi-X users as well as browse and find content linked to by other users.

What Kind Of Content Can I Find In Navi-X?
Almost anything. Video, audio, pictures, podcasts, text, web pages with content, live streams, XML feeds, site scrapers… it’s almost overwhelming the amount and type of multimedia content that can be found in Navi-X. I will leave our description at that for now… if you want to check out more, go to http://www.navi-x.org for a thorough explanation of what Navi-X is, as well as screenshots and a video demo to check out. You can also find out more about Navi-X via Google and Twitter.

The reason I am here today is to reach out to the Roku community in search of someone who would be interested in porting over our app/channel to the Roku platform. We are an open-source project and as such, we depend on the contributions of users and developers to help make porting to other platforms happen.
Here is some current usage stats for Navi-X… We currently average about 7 million hits a month, have over 7000 users a day using Navi-X and we serve about 90 GB of just text-playlist data a month. We have approximately 245,000 users who use Navi-X either a little bit or a lot.

With this in mind, you definitely wouldn’t be wasting your time porting something over like this… your work will definitely get seen by people, so we are hoping for a seasoned veteran of Roku development to step forward to help with the cause. Unfortunately, since we don’t make a penny at this time for Navi-X, we cannot pay a developer to do this work… we are soley depending on an open-source developer familiar with this arena. If you feel you could use a spot on a project that is incredibly popular with folks, this is it! Please reach out to me at xiRoNBiLLx@gmail.com if any Roku developers are interested in becoming the “Head Developer for Navi-X on Roku”… we hope to hear from you soon!

Warm Regards,

iRoNBiLL
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Re: Seeking Channel Developer for Navi-X

Postby ironbill » Wed May 18, 2011 1:49 pm

By the way Roku moderators... your search function for the forums does not appear to be working... I tried the search term "Navi-X" and your search doesn't even pull up this thread. Just a heads up... thanks.

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Re: Seeking Channel Developer for Navi-X

Postby RyanMarquiste » Wed May 18, 2011 4:53 pm

I believe the problem here is with the hyphen character. It is a special character that tells the search not to include posts that contain the words that follow it.

Try searching on just "Navi" and your post should come up.
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Re: Seeking Channel Developer for Navi-X

Postby ironbill » Thu May 19, 2011 11:07 am

Thanks. Wouldn't that be more of an error to report to the site admin than providing a publicly unknown workaround? Whatever works... thanks.

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Re: Seeking Channel Developer for Navi-X

Postby renojim » Thu May 19, 2011 12:04 pm

All these forums (on the Internet) pretty much use the same package, or one of a couple, and they all have pretty poor search capabilities. You'd really want to report it to whoever or whatever is responsible for phpBB, but I'm sure it's a known issue.

If you really want to search the forum with a better search engine, try a Google search like this:
site:forums.roku.com "navi-x"

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Re: Seeking Channel Developer for Navi-X

Postby ironbill » Thu May 19, 2011 2:26 pm

Fair enough. PhpBB has always had quirks so I can live with it. If any of you guys responding to this thread could recommend someone who may be interested in helping us port Navi-X to Roku, please let me know! Thanks.

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Re: Seeking Channel Developer for Navi-X

Postby jbrave » Thu May 19, 2011 3:14 pm

Most people won't spend two months of their life writing a complex application for free, but perhaps someone who is just learning Brightscript who has other coding experience will want to take it on and do the port as an educational experience.

Otherwise, expect to pay a few thousand dollars to hire someone. It looks like a very ambitious project, so I would bid this one pretty high if it was a paid gig.

I'm not even sure what you are trying to do is 100% possible on Roku (or legal for that matter, you'll note that the private YouTube channel is no longer available for install on Roku, for legal reasons) unless you are trans-coding all these video types on the fly to h.264.

Still, perhaps you should talk directly to Roku, they might find the project interesting enough to do it themselves for free.

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Re: Seeking Channel Developer for Navi-X

Postby kbenson » Thu May 19, 2011 3:33 pm

jbrave wrote:...or legal for that matter, you'll note that the private YouTube channel is no longer available for install on Roku, for legal reasons...


I actually interpreted it more as a sign that an officialYoutube channel may be coming, seeing as it came right after Youtube announced paid movie delivery, and Roku mentioned they got the C&D during/after negotiations...
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Re: Seeking Channel Developer for Navi-X

Postby ironbill » Fri May 20, 2011 9:24 am

Well I have noticed in other forums where Roku users are begging to have Navi-X ported to Roku... in fact, people debating IPTV products like Roku, GoogleTV and Boxee Box... if you read much of their responses, they claim they won't even buy a product that does not support Navi-X on it. It's not like we are some sort of de-generate app... people love our app. The fact is our app is not as complex as people make it out to be. We have been around for 4+ years and nobody has shut us down or even sent us a cease order... probably because it's not illegal to share links to things on the internet. Hosting is another conversation all together. (based on DMCA-information services definition)

The Navi-X app for XBMC is 850kb and on Boxee it's like 2 megs... it's all python script currently, not even compiled source. Why someone would get paid for converting code is understandable, but we did pickup 3 other devs who are working for free on porting us to the other platforms... are Roku devs just in it for the money?! That my be a problem for Roku I would think but I don't know.

If nothing else jbrave, maybe you could please help me by pointing me to a contact at Roku I could reach out to and inquire about this. This would be much appreciated as all dev links point here. Thanks in advance!

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Re: Seeking Channel Developer for Navi-X

Postby davidg7864 » Fri May 20, 2011 11:10 am

Navi-X on XBMC is way cool, been building an HTPC to supplement Roku and installed XBMC and Navi-X and it is amazing how much content is available. Navi-X on Roku would be a great channel.
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Re: Seeking Channel Developer for Navi-X

Postby kbenson » Fri May 20, 2011 12:04 pm

I think the difference here is that the Roku has a smaller community currently, so finding someone willing to take on a large project like this without direct benefit will be harder. The surplus of free channels released points towards the developers not being in it all for the money, but can't fault someone for wanting some sort of recompense for spending quite a lot of their time, depending on the complexity of the project.

Additionally, since the Roku uses a proprietary language, a lot of original code has to be written compared to a language such as python, which has a large set of available libraries to choose from.

That said, I'm sure we would all like to see the channel on the system, it's just a matter of finding someone with the right amount of time and interest that can afford to spend the time without compensation. Unfortunately, I definitely don't have the time, so I won't be of much help.
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Re: Seeking Channel Developer for Navi-X

Postby ironbill » Fri May 20, 2011 1:13 pm

I appreciate your feedback fellas! That helps me better put into perspective the challenges we face in porting Navi-X to Roku. Thanks again!

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Re: Seeking Channel Developer for Navi-X

Postby bollywood » Fri May 20, 2011 7:33 pm

this seems quite big and complex project that not only needs huge commitment to create, but also think in terms of ongoing maintenance.

perhaps you need a different approach for this project.
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Re: Seeking Channel Developer for Navi-X

Postby ironbill » Fri May 20, 2011 9:21 pm

After a member of the Roku community reached out to me and has informed me that the Roku community is "all about money"... even though you are using a proprietary coding setup and are lacking a strong user and developer community (ugh!), I have decided perhaps the Roku community is not even ready for something like Navi-X. While I can appreciate everyone's honesty, I find it to be a bit rediculous that there is no one who would consider attempting to port over our app AT ALL! I mean we have about a quarter million users on Navi-X an no one is interested in an opportunity to bring such an awesome addon over to your platform. We have a business model and investors considering work with us, yet the only thing holding you back is cash, upfront, in assorted bills. I find that to be quite the short-sighted approach to development but I don't want to criticize the Roku community. Instead, I would ask that anyone even remotely interested in Navi-X, download a copy of Boxee and install Navi-X by adding our repository... http://tinyurl.com/navixforboxee

If anybody wants a real shot at a prime business opportunity, that is willing to put in just a little effort to begin the foundation of porting over Navi-X, let me know. Otherwise, I will consider this my last visit to these forums for the time being as so far the only responses I have received are for money only... after I explicitly told you we don't have a dime right now... but in the future this is going to change soon. I greatly appreciate everyone's honesty in regards to the developers community or lack there of. You have saved me a ton of time from running circles... I hope someone finds change of heart like so many of our other devs who help and have yet to receive 1 buck. Take care everyone!

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Re: Seeking Channel Developer for Navi-X

Postby TheEndless » Fri May 20, 2011 10:07 pm

You might consider contacting partners@roku.com, if you're interested in communicating directly with Roku.

You might also consider exercising a little patience. Your post has been here for a little over two days (in the middle of the week, no less), and you've somehow already come to the conclusion that the Roku development community is weak, based on a "member of the Roku community" who apparently has the authority to speak on behalf of all of us...? I personally have developed close to 20 free Roku channels, as have a number of the other developers who have commented in this thread, so to suggest that the Roku community is "all about money" is, quite frankly, insulting, and is probably not the best way to entice developers into wanting to work with you.

Good luck with your project.
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