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Postby WardFamily » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:24 pm

We need more parental control. Yes we can choose a setting on Netflix, but not on Koldcast. I like Koldcast and others, but my child should not be able to get into it and I should not have to add and delete the channels. Are there any plans to help with this anytime soon? Thanks!
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Re: parental control

Postby tcumpston » Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:40 am

WardFamily wrote:We need more parental control. Yes we can choose a setting on Netflix, but not on Koldcast. I like Koldcast and others, but my child should not be able to get into it and I should not have to add and delete the channels. Are there any plans to help with this anytime soon? Thanks!

You can password protect your channel administration from your roku account. Just log into your account and go to the channel store pin section. Then you'll have the option to enter a 4 digit pin number needed to add or delete channels.
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Re: parental control

Postby catastrophegirl » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:11 am

i only know of one channel that has a PIN just to enter the channel from the channel menu on the roku. it's a private channel and the implementation is new. but i've tested it and having an access PIN works just fine.
i know it's possible, but i don't know if they are willing to share how they did it.
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Re: parental control

Postby gonzotek » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:59 pm

catastrophegirl wrote:i only know of one channel that has a PIN just to enter the channel from the channel menu on the roku. it's a private channel and the implementation is new. but i've tested it and having an access PIN works just fine.
i know it's possible, but i don't know if they are willing to share how they did it.
From a developer standpoint, a pin code for entry should be trivial. Roku provides all the necessary components (pre-made pin/password screens, data storage, and can easily branch on channel start depending on if the pin is entered correctly or not available, etc.). The channel would obviously need to allow the user in if no channel-specific pin has been set, so it would be important for users to still not allow channels to be deleted without entering the Roku account pin.
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Re: parental control

Postby WardFamily » Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:59 pm

Require a four-digit PIN to add any channel, even free channels.
Require a four-digit PIN only when making a purchase.
Do not require a PIN when adding channels or making a purchase.

They can do this. What I am suggesting seems like it would be easy.
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Re: parental control

Postby mommom » Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:29 pm

I don't want a pin number.I monitor my grandkids and do not have problems with them watching things they shouldn't.I understand that some people would rather use the device to control what their kids watch.Maybe it would be better to have a separate"family" Roku that is blocked completely from having channels added.A rating type system sounds like it would be easy,but if the Roku was set up that way ,who would be in charge of the ratings?Would every channel owner have to adhere to the ratings system?Are podcasts "rated"?Would Plex need to implement ratings for everything available?Would we lose the old Youtube channel for those of us who have because of no ratings?Who would handle the ratings system for Justin tv?What about news channels with graphic violence? I don't think its as simple as suggested.I personally am much more in favor of parental supervision than electronic blocking.
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Re: parental control

Postby WardFamily » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:15 pm

I didn't say anything about a ratings system. Just a pin for the channels. Not all channels. Just the you would want blocked. Like Koldcast.
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Re: parental control

Postby mommom » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:33 am

So if all you want is to be able to block access to any channel ,by inputting a pin number,its not much different than just adding the channel when you want to watch.I basically just tell them they can't watch something-like they have access to the movies on my harddrive,but they are not to use the folder labeled "dad movies".Not what you are thinking,mostly crime,violence,war,horror,etc.I simply told them not to and I do check up on them. Heck,there is some racy stuff on NetFlix too .The kids just know they are not allowed to watch.Because I tell them,and I check,and they know it. One thing-if its Koldcast that is the problem(I haven't checked it out in a long time,I have too much to watch already and KC seems like a waste of time) ,wouldnt it be Koldcast that you would want to contact to add some sort of pin number to their channel?
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Re: parental control

Postby FyreTVSocial » Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:53 pm

I would just like to note that the FyreTV Private Channel does require a 6-digit pin in order to associate the channel with the subscribed account, as well to ensure that only the authorized user is accessing the channel and viewing any content. Roku doesn't have to implement parental controls, but just as with any adult .com site, there should be some measures taken in order to prevent anyone underage or unsure of what they are about to view from accessing the content on these private channels.
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Re: parental control

Postby KennyJ » Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:00 pm

mommom wrote:So if all you want is to be able to block access to any channel ,by inputting a pin number,its not much different than just adding the channel when you want to watch.I basically just tell them they can't watch something-like they have access to the movies on my harddrive,but they are not to use the folder labeled "dad movies".Not what you are thinking,mostly crime,violence,war,horror,etc.I simply told them not to and I do check up on them. Heck,there is some racy stuff on NetFlix too .The kids just know they are not allowed to watch.Because I tell them,and I check,and they know it. One thing-if its Koldcast that is the problem(I haven't checked it out in a long time,I have too much to watch already and KC seems like a waste of time) ,wouldnt it be Koldcast that you would want to contact to add some sort of pin number to their channel?


That's great and all, but I think Ward is looking for something more. I don't have a problem (yet) with my son either, but I think Ward's request is reasonable and I'd too like to see something a little more robust than what is already offered. And while it would be nice if KoldKast offered their own parental controls, I still think something could be done at the Roku-level. I just think it hasn't been a big priority for Roku because they know (rightfully) that they'll sell more Roku by securing more content than they will be adding parental controls. I don't fault them for it -- I just hope that something is on their radar for the future.
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Re: parental control

Postby mikebdoss » Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:05 pm

KennyJ wrote:
mommom wrote:So if all you want is to be able to block access to any channel ,by inputting a pin number,its not much different than just adding the channel when you want to watch.I basically just tell them they can't watch something-like they have access to the movies on my harddrive,but they are not to use the folder labeled "dad movies".Not what you are thinking,mostly crime,violence,war,horror,etc.I simply told them not to and I do check up on them. Heck,there is some racy stuff on NetFlix too .The kids just know they are not allowed to watch.Because I tell them,and I check,and they know it. One thing-if its Koldcast that is the problem(I haven't checked it out in a long time,I have too much to watch already and KC seems like a waste of time) ,wouldnt it be Koldcast that you would want to contact to add some sort of pin number to their channel?


That's great and all, but I think Ward is looking for something more. I don't have a problem (yet) with my son either, but I think Ward's request is reasonable and I'd too like to see something a little more robust than what is already offered. And while it would be nice if KoldKast offered their own parental controls, I still think something could be done at the Roku-level. I just think it hasn't been a big priority for Roku because they know (rightfully) that they'll sell more Roku by securing more content than they will be adding parental controls. I don't fault them for it -- I just hope that something is on their radar for the future.


Do any Bluray or DVD players have parental controls? Do any set-top boxes? I've heard of some cable boxes offering them, but that's it.
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Re: parental control

Postby catastrophegirl » Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:37 pm

FyreTVSocial wrote:I would just like to note that the FyreTV Private Channel does require a 6-digit pin in order to associate the channel with the subscribed account, as well to ensure that only the authorized user is accessing the channel and viewing any content. Roku doesn't have to implement parental controls, but just as with any adult .com site, there should be some measures taken in order to prevent anyone underage or unsure of what they are about to view from accessing the content on these private channels.


does the channel require inputting the PIN anytime the channel is selected from the user's roku channel lineup?
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Re: parental control

Postby gonzotek » Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:56 pm

mikebdoss wrote:Do any Bluray or DVD players have parental controls? Do any set-top boxes? I've heard of some cable boxes offering them, but that's it.
Yes to both:
DVD/Blu-Ray: http://www.ehow.com/how_2100484_set-par ... layer.html
AppleTV: http://www.thewiredhomeschool.com/2012/ ... -controls/
TiVo: http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/178
(I'm sure there are more STB examples, most game systems have them for instance).

There are quite a few different methods and varying degrees of restrictiveness to how parental controls could be implemented. In a system like Roku has, presenting the user with a list of all the applications on the box, then letting them tag certain apps as restricted, with the options to default all and/or all new apps to either restricted, or defaulted to unrestricted, is probably the best compromise I could come up with. Set a system-wide pin code for access to restricted apps, and make the box lock up for longer and longer periods of time between unsuccessful attempts(to discourage brute forcing, but forgive a mistake or three). Trying to police the content within the apps for various rating systems would be a nightmare.
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Re: parental control

Postby WardFamily » Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:08 pm

There just should be a way to block some channels with a pin. I don't know how it needs to be done but I don't see why Roku cant do it.
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Re: parental control

Postby catastrophegirl » Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:13 pm

WardFamily wrote:There just should be a way to block some channels with a pin. I don't know how it needs to be done but I don't see why Roku cant do it.

it can. videobox already did it. it's optional on that channel but once you set a PIN and secure it, the PIN must be entered each time the channel is accessed from your channels on the roku
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