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Netgear vs Roku

Postby sharpedge » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:33 am

Netgear (who used to sell a netgear branded Roku) have announced their own cheap streaming player, the NTV 200, due to be released next week for $80, if I didn't know any better I'd think it was just another rebranded Roku:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005MJWGJC

Does the new competition mean a drop in price for the Roku 2 models? The Roku 2 XS was on sale for $75 last week with the Cnet coupon (still on sale now for $85 with coupon), and the Roku 2 HD was $45 on woot the other week. the netgear has 1080P, wireless N, optical out and ethernet for $80.

I'm in the market for a 3rd Roku, but I'd be tempted to try something else after reading of all the issues with the Roku 2. The netgear doesn't have Hulu plus though, which we watch a lot. It does have youtube, Vudu, WB and Showtime (see video below at the 7 seconds mark).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pABgqZ--QN0

If it has DNLA then I might be sold on the netgear, but I don't see it mentioned anywhere. Without DNLA I'll stick with Roku and Roksbox.
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Re: Netgear vs Roku

Postby stratcat96 » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:26 am

it looks like the only real advantage it has over Roku is that it has Vudu, and maybe YouTube for someone who does not have it from before Google made them take it down. There's no Amazon VoD, it's only HDMI (no composite connection for older TVs) and it does not appear to support any local streaming due to no usb port or any mention of DLNA. The Showtime app it shows will either be a service like Epix where you have to already be a subscriber, or more likely will just let you see clips from shows off their website. If you're really interested, I'd at least wait till some reviews come out, but at first glance it doesn't look like an upgrade over a Roku.
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Re: Netgear vs Roku

Postby sscherr » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:32 am

If it handles dolby digital 5.1 for Netflix (converted from dolby digital plus) over the optical connection, it has a huge advantage over the Roku 2 for those of us that have older receivers.

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Re: Netgear vs Roku

Postby atheling » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:42 am

sscherr wrote:If it handles dolby digital 5.1 for Netflix (converted from dolby digital plus) over the optical connection, it has a huge advantage over the Roku 2 for those of us that have older receivers.

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While it does not get a rave review at http://gigaom.com/video/lg-st-600-review/ it looks like the LG ST-600 streaming player will do Netflix and has an optical output. Manufacturer's page is at http://www.lg.com/us/tv-audio-video/video/LG-ST600.jsp

Don't own one as I'm happy with my Roku2, but noticed it as a possible competitor to the Netgear, Roku and Apple TV.
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Re: Netgear vs Roku

Postby stratcat96 » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:56 am

sscherr wrote:If it handles dolby digital 5.1 for Netflix (converted from dolby digital plus) over the optical connection, it has a huge advantage over the Roku 2 for those of us that have older receivers.

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touche' but those are some big "ifs" at this point, so its conjecture at this point until we find out if and how NF does 5.1
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Re: Netgear vs Roku

Postby jeffrok » Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:48 am

atheling wrote:
sscherr wrote:If it handles dolby digital 5.1 for Netflix (converted from dolby digital plus) over the optical connection, it has a huge advantage over the Roku 2 for those of us that have older receivers.

Scott


While it does not get a rave review at http://gigaom.com/video/lg-st-600-review/ it looks like the LG ST-600 streaming player will do Netflix and has an optical output. Manufacturer's page is at http://www.lg.com/us/tv-audio-video/video/LG-ST600.jsp

Don't own one as I'm happy with my Roku2, but noticed it as a possible competitor to the Netgear, Roku and Apple TV.


historically, DVP-type boxes made by big electronics companies don't do well.. Usually because off lack of passion by the company to support and update the device.
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Re: Netgear vs Roku

Postby sharpedge » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:44 pm

atheling wrote:
sscherr wrote:If it handles dolby digital 5.1 for Netflix (converted from dolby digital plus) over the optical connection, it has a huge advantage over the Roku 2 for those of us that have older receivers.

Scott


While it does not get a rave review at http://gigaom.com/video/lg-st-600-review/ it looks like the LG ST-600 streaming player will do Netflix and has an optical output. Manufacturer's page is at http://www.lg.com/us/tv-audio-video/video/LG-ST600.jsp

Don't own one as I'm happy with my Roku2, but noticed it as a possible competitor to the Netgear, Roku and Apple TV.


Thanks, I'd never heard of the LG device, it has Hulu Plus, Amazon VOD, VUDU HD, Netflix, YouTube, web browser, dual band wireless, keyboard support and DNLA, apparently it's sold at Costco so I might have to give it a try
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Re: Netgear vs Roku

Postby ronfelder » Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:57 am

atheling wrote:
sscherr wrote:If it handles dolby digital 5.1 for Netflix (converted from dolby digital plus) over the optical connection, it has a huge advantage over the Roku 2 for those of us that have older receivers.

Scott


While it does not get a rave review at http://gigaom.com/video/lg-st-600-review/ it looks like the LG ST-600 streaming player will do Netflix and has an optical output. Manufacturer's page is at http://www.lg.com/us/tv-audio-video/video/LG-ST600.jsp

Don't own one as I'm happy with my Roku2, but noticed it as a possible competitor to the Netgear, Roku and Apple TV.



remember an optical out can't handle Dolby digital Plus so if it doesn't convert you're in the same boat as people are with the Roku 2.
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Re: Netgear vs Roku

Postby ronfelder » Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:01 am

Would a device that only costs $80 be able to afford to put in a converter of Dolby Digital Plus to non plus? Remember the Roku 2 just passes on the signal and i'd guess the Netgear does the same.
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Re: Netgear vs Roku

Postby stratcat96 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:08 am

I would guess that it really depends on how deep the pockets of the producer are. LG, being a large multi-national company that targets markets world-wide could do so if they wanted (or absolutely needed). Roku is a small company and does not have the scale or scope of product lines or markets that make cost expenditure an easy decision
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Re: Netgear vs Roku

Postby jeffrok » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:56 pm

What suggests to me that Roku has a hand in this new player is that there is a game "written" by Roku at the bottom of this page:

http://www.netgear.com/landing/ntv200/? ... term=neotv

At the NeoTV main page, click on the Learn More link, and you'll see the gaming section. There's a game at the bottom.

Which if you go into the Roku channel store, you'll see a game called Rock Swap (I think that's the name, at least).. The author of the game is Roku. It looks like the game on Netgear's page.

Also notice that the new Netgear unit has a power button :D.
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Re: Netgear vs Roku

Postby kc8pql » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:54 pm

jeffrok wrote:What suggests to me that Roku has a hand in this new player is that there is a game "written" by Roku at the bottom of this page:...

That crossed my mind too...
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Re: Netgear vs Roku

Postby stratcat96 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:25 pm

jeffrok wrote:What suggests to me that Roku has a hand in this new player is that there is a game "written" by Roku at the bottom of this page:

http://www.netgear.com/landing/ntv200/? ... term=neotv

At the NeoTV main page, click on the Learn More link, and you'll see the gaming section. There's a game at the bottom.

Which if you go into the Roku channel store, you'll see a game called Rock Swap (I think that's the name, at least).. The author of the game is Roku. It looks like the game on Netgear's page.

Also notice that the new Netgear unit has a power button :D.


Gigaom.com had this to say about the newest casual games that are on Roku back in August:

We’ve heard back from Roku and the games were developed by Accedo



and Engadget's blurb about the new Netgear player said that "Looks like Netgear is taking what it learned from licensing Roku's tech last year and streamlining its connected TV offerings."

Since even in the shot of the Netflix channel, it is using tech which isn't the same as the Roku units. That NF interface is the newest 3.0 HTML5 UI. It really looks like Netgear wanted to jump in the game on their own as their unit shares similarities, but the software platform isn't Roku's. Also note that there doesn't appear to be any local file access at all, which as Roku has found out with the limited access they have, just might be a point of contention for many.
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Re: Netgear vs Roku

Postby RokuPatrick » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:52 pm

kc8pql wrote:
jeffrok wrote:What suggests to me that Roku has a hand in this new player is that there is a game "written" by Roku at the bottom of this page:...

That crossed my mind too...


Roku has no involvement with this Netgear product and it is not related to the Netgear-branded Roku product from last year.
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Re: Netgear vs Roku

Postby jeffrok » Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:59 am

Thanks for the info, Patrick.. Now I KNOW I definitely won't buy this new box! :D
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