1080p--is it worth it?

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1080p--is it worth it?

Postby kegepet » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:12 pm

I was wondering how other people feel about setting their roku to 1080p. I am perfectly content with 720p and was wondering if there are any other reasons why I should not bother with 1080p (e.g. slower downloads, other possible tech issues, etc.)? Also, is it true that the resolution you set your roku to determines the resolution of downloaded content in each respective channel? Thanks.
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Re: 1080p--is it worth it?

Postby philsoft » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:23 pm

My biggest concern is potentially hitting my Data cap one day.
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Re: 1080p--is it worth it?

Postby Gilgamesh » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:30 pm

kegepet wrote:I was wondering how other people feel about setting their roku to 1080p. I am perfectly content with 720p and was wondering if there are any other reasons why I should not bother with 1080p (e.g. slower downloads, other possible tech issues, etc.)? Also, is it true that the resolution you set your roku to determines the resolution of downloaded content in each respective channel? Thanks.


1080p--is it worth it? Not for me.

There is not a lot of 1080p content and my old eyes do not really see much, if any, difference.

The setting of your Roku does not really effect what the channels provide. Most channels, other than the biggies like Netflix, Amazon etc. do not even get to 720p much of the time.

Actually resolution matters a good deal less than download speed. Once you get to a rate that smoothly supports 720p the rest matters very little.

Everything I normally watch supports 1080p but I set my Roku at 720p and see almost no difference.
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Re: 1080p--is it worth it?

Postby wzwor » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:51 pm

It's worth it to some people. Some people really enjoy analyzing a television display and would not be satisfied with anything less. Some applications demand that detail (or higher) -- especially if there is a lot of character data on the screen.

For most people, though, it's overkill. I suggest you go to a Best Buy or some other store that has a lot of TVs on display. Position yourself relative to various screens just as you would watch TV at home. If 1080p makes a difference to you at that distance, watching that material, then you will be happier spending a little more.

I don't watch TV on a 1080p set, but I still buy BD discs for some content. I think some of them look amazing -- even when scaled to 720p. That's just my opinion, but I'm the guy signing the check, so mine is the only opinion that matters.
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Re: 1080p--is it worth it?

Postby cwniles » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:58 pm

to me it is a simple matter of viewing the content in the format intended so if it's a 1080 Blu-Ray I want to watch it it at 1080.....or a 1080P Vudu movie or Youtube video.

of course DVD at 720x480 is a bit lacking so I upscale those but as far as downscaling something, not if I don't have to.
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Re: 1080p--is it worth it?

Postby kegepet » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:23 pm

Just to clarify to wzwor: I already own a tv capable of 1080p. My question is whether or not it's worth it to set your roku to 1080p mode, as opposed to 720p, which would slow download times due to all that extra (unnecessary?) resolution. In fact, it just occurred to me that those netflix movies are going to be heavily compressed anyway; with all that drop in detail, that extra resolution is even more pointless, no?
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Re: 1080p--is it worth it?

Postby philsoft » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:26 pm

kegepet wrote:Just to clarify to wzwor: I already own a tv capable of 1080p. My question is whether or not it's worth it to set your roku to 1080p mode, as opposed to 720p, which would slow download times due to all that extra (unnecessary?) resolution. In fact, it just occurred to me that those netflix movies are going to be heavily compressed anyway; with all that drop in detail, that extra resolution is even more pointless, no?


The compression is in h.264 format, so it isn't such a factor as it would be in MPeg2
The most noticeable difference between 720P and 1080p on Roku IMO is on the Vudu channel. That is quite noticeable to me, but 720p is VERY good quality anyway.
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Re: 1080p--is it worth it?

Postby wzwor » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:59 pm

kegepet wrote:Just to clarify to wzwor: I already own a tv capable of 1080p. My question is whether or not it's worth it to set your roku to 1080p mode, as opposed to 720p, which would slow download times due to all that extra (unnecessary?) resolution. In fact, it just occurred to me that those netflix movies are going to be heavily compressed anyway; with all that drop in detail, that extra resolution is even more pointless, no?

OK. Gotcha. I say the same thing except that you can do it in your living room. Try both. If your eyes cannot tell the difference, 720p uses less bandwidth. There is also the matter of whether you scale and where you scale, but, in the end, it's up to your eyes.
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Re: 1080p--is it worth it?

Postby jeffrok » Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:58 am

If you have a 60" or larger tv and sit a moderate distance away (12-15 feet away), the difference between 720p and 1080p is noticeable. I do think older titles that weren't properly scaled for 1080p don't look 1080p, kind of like how old CDs that weren't digitally remastered don't sound as good.
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Re: 1080p--is it worth it?

Postby traal » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:56 am

There's a chart on this page that will help determine whether 1080p has an advantage over 720p, based on your screen size and viewing distance. (direct link to image)
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Re: 1080p--is it worth it?

Postby destruk » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:34 pm

Only an 8K TV will do - anything else just isn't high enough quality to watch.
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Re: 1080p--is it worth it?

Postby mikebdoss » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:42 pm

Or, you know, turn it on, and watch something. If you like it, keep it enabled for the few things that stream at 1080p. If you don't, switch it back.

I think we're all overthinking this =)
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Re: 1080p--is it worth it?

Postby RickRansom » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:44 pm

traal wrote:There's a chart on this page that will help determine whether 1080p has an advantage over 720p, based on your screen size and viewing distance. (direct link to image)

Good links. I think I'll have to re-arrange my couch to get the max out of my setup.

Going back to the topic at hand, mikebdoss' post seems good. I believe it depends on your perspective - if you can spot the difference between 1080p and 720p, the go for 1080p. Otherwise, switch it back. :mrgreen:
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Re: 1080p--is it worth it?

Postby mikeyts » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:15 pm

One of my favorite comparisons of Netflix HD resolutions is a frame from the title sequence of a film called The Resident; it's full of tiny details in which it's fairly easy to see the difference in sharpness between the Netflix 1080p encode and the 720p one upon comparison.

I like to use the Chrome browser to compare these because in Chrome fullscreen is fullscreen, with no horizontal or verticle scroll bars. If you're reading this post in Chrome, just drag one of the screenshot links in the paragraph above to the new tab control on the far right of the open tabs in this window. Drag the tab created by that off into its own window then drag the other link into that window's new tab control. With that window selected, hit F11 to go fullscreen, then CTRL-TAB to instantly switch back and forth between the images.

Those screenshots were collected by AVS forum member msgohan and originally posted in his "Netflix PS3 streaming comparison PIX" thread. Sadly ImageShack converted all of the myriad 1920x1080 HDMI screen captures posted in the thread into 800x400 reductions. I'd copied off a few to my PC, including these two.
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