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Roku 3 and 1080i support?

Postby dogmut » Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:18 pm

I currently have a Roku 2 XS and it supports 1080i (although I guess not officially). Does the Roku 3 support 1080i? If not will they add it to a FW update like they did with the Roku 2?

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Re: Roku 3 and 1080i support?

Postby trekkeriii » Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:38 pm

dogmut wrote:I currently have a Roku 2 XS and it supports 1080i (although I guess not officially). Does the Roku 3 support 1080i? If not will they add it to a FW update like they did with the Roku 2?

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Roku doesn't output 1080i. Roku 1 and 2 only outputs 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080p, Roku 3 only outputs 480p, 720p, and 1080p. Reason for this is there is no content being streamed on Roku that is natively 1080i. If your TV supports 720p, use that resolution.
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Re: Roku 3 and 1080i support?

Postby jeffries » Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:34 pm

trekkeriii wrote:Roku doesn't output 1080i. Roku 1 and 2 only outputs 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080p, Roku 3 only outputs 480p, 720p, and 1080p. Reason for this is there is no content being streamed on Roku that is natively 1080i. If your TV supports 720p, use that resolution.


I'm not sure that makes a lot of sense. Roku 3 must do some conversion, since content is either 1080p or 720p, and the viewing device could be a different format (720p or 1080p respectively). So why not 1080i, even though it would always have to convert? Maybe 1080i devices are rare, but my HDTV is 1080i only and I can't use the Roku 3. Is there really that much work in supporting 1080i when you have to do conversions anyway? Even the $35 Raspberry Pi supports 1080i.
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Re: Roku 3 and 1080i support?

Postby kc8pql » Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:28 am

Is there really that much work in supporting 1080i when you have to do conversions anyway?

More than apparent it seems. 1080i has been asked about since the first Roku was introduced.
If it were a trivial matter, they would have added it long ago.
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Re: Roku 3 and 1080i support?

Postby lion7718 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:53 am

Since basically 1080i is the same quality as 720p, I can see why Roku wouldn't add it.
What Are 720p, 1080i and 1080p HDTV Resolutions?
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Re: Roku 3 and 1080i support?

Postby johninFL » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:10 am

If you have an AVR check to see if it will do the conversion for you.I have a Denon 2310CI that converts 1080p>1080i,yours may too.
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Re: Roku 3 and 1080i support?

Postby jeffries » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:07 pm

johninFL wrote:If you have an AVR check to see if it will do the conversion for you.I have a Denon 2310CI that converts 1080p>1080i,yours may too.


Actually, I have a Denon 2313CI and I've already tried that. It doesn't work for some reason, even though it works with the rest of my HD gear (two DVRs, a LG Blu-Ray player).
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Re: Roku 3 and 1080i support?

Postby jeffries » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:17 pm

kc8pql wrote:More than apparent it seems. 1080i has been asked about since the first Roku was introduced.
If it were a trivial matter, they would have added it long ago.


This is the first low-cost media player I've seen that doesn't support it. It just can't be that hard technically. My guess is that by going to the HDMI-only connector they decided that 1080i was just as obsolete as component video. That would have been OK (I simply would have looked at other options), but I didn't see the 1080i exception listed anywhere on Amazon, Best Buy, or anywhere obvious on the Roku site. What I saw instead was the phrase "up to 1080p", which most people would take to mean 720p, 1080i, and 1080p.
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Re: Roku 3 and 1080i support?

Postby trekkeriii » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:22 pm

jeffries wrote:
kc8pql wrote:More than apparent it seems. 1080i has been asked about since the first Roku was introduced.
If it were a trivial matter, they would have added it long ago.


This is the first low-cost media player I've seen that doesn't support it. It just can't be that hard technically. My guess is that by going to the HDMI-only connector they decided that 1080i was just as obsolete as component video. That would have been OK (I simply would have looked at other options), but I didn't see the 1080i exception listed anywhere on Amazon, Best Buy, or anywhere obvious on the Roku site. What I saw instead was the phrase "up to 1080p", which most people would take to mean 720p, 1080i, and 1080p.


Amazon has listed under the Product Description for Roku 3: "Video output: 1080p, 720p and 480p over HDMI."
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Re: Roku 3 and 1080i support?

Postby mkiker2089 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:43 am

lion7718 wrote:Since basically 1080i is the same quality as 720p, I can see why Roku wouldn't add it.
What Are 720p, 1080i and 1080p HDTV Resolutions?


That's a tough call to make. Generally speaking however a 1080i signal would be roughly equivalent to a 540p image since it has half the information of tha 1080p image per frame. Some TVs handle 1080i better than others but those same TVs will also handle 720p and it's different issue (upscalling) well also.

I guess in short 1080i<720p
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Re: Roku 3 and 1080i support?

Postby calcu007 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:11 am

Yes, 720p is better quality than 1080i, not the same.
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Re: Roku 3 and 1080i support?

Postby Basil » Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:37 am

So, the complaint is that Roku doesn't have low enough standards?
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Re: Roku 3 and 1080i support?

Postby philsoft » Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:58 am

jeffries wrote:This is the first low-cost media player I've seen that doesn't support it.


If I am not mistaken, the Apple TV doesn't support 1080i either, and that would be the number one and number two selling streamers.
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Re: Roku 3 and 1080i support?

Postby trekkeriii » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:27 am

philsoft wrote:
jeffries wrote:This is the first low-cost media player I've seen that doesn't support it.


If I am not mistaken, the Apple TV doesn't support 1080i either.


3rd Gen Apple TV supports 1080p/1080i/720p/480p. Bottom line easy or not, Roku has chosen not to include it, so if this is important to have 1080i, then look for another streaming player. Apple TV obviously is your alternative.
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Re: Roku 3 and 1080i support?

Postby philsoft » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:36 am

trekkeriii wrote:
philsoft wrote:
jeffries wrote:This is the first low-cost media player I've seen that doesn't support it.


If I am not mistaken, the Apple TV doesn't support 1080i either.


3rd Gen Apple TV supports 1080p/1080i/720p/480p.


Isn't the ATV3's 1080i support limited to the UI and not for video though?

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https://discussions.apple.com/thread/37 ... 0&tstart=0
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