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twitched is dead

Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:38 am

is sad how roku is getting rid of top channels people enjoy, from dailymotion to twitch.
twitched was then created by a user and I loved it. sadly it has been removed. thanks roku smh
i guess fire tv or android tv is the best way to go now
 
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Re: twitched is dead

Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:53 am

It was removed by the Twitched developer, not Roku. Just like the original Twitch channel.
 
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Re: twitched is dead

Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:15 am

justinloch wrote:
is sad how roku is getting rid of top channels people enjoy, from dailymotion to twitch.
twitched was then created by a user and I loved it. sadly it has been removed. thanks roku smh
i guess fire tv or android tv is the best way to go now

As Bacon said above, the Twitched developer has made the decision to remove that app from Rokus. Roku will accept your apology now.

From CordCutters News (6/17/19 https://www.cordcuttersnews.com/rokus-last-remaining-twitch-channel-has-been-removed-from-roku-players-roku-tvs/ ):  

Back in November of 2017 Amazon removed their official Twitch streaming Roku Channel from Roku players. Any Roku owner who already had the Twitch Channel installed on their Roku at the time got a warning message saying the app will no longer be updated but that they can still use it. Sadly new Roku owners would be unable to add the official Amazon Twitch channel.

Very quickly a 3rd party free Twitch app that worked just like the official Twitch channel appeared called Twitched Zero. There was also a paid version that costs $0.99 just called Twitched. Back in May the creator behind Twitched Zero shut it down and today Twitched has also removed the Roku Channel [, thus] shutting down down the last option to watch Twitch streams on Roku unless you are grandfathered into the old Twitch app. Sadly the Twitched Roku Channel is being forcibly removing the channel from Roku Players and Roku TVs.
 
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Re: twitched is dead

Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:53 am

yeah my mistake, but still without those app, it sucks and likely leaning towards getting an android device or even fire tv.
but hopefully roku and the twitch developer work things out
 
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Re: twitched is dead

Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:49 am

Hi there, 

Thanks for the notes here. Channels may become unavailable for a variety of reasons, including at the request of content rights owners. I'd recommend following up with the channel developer, or the service provider directly, to share your interest in seeing their channel/service on the Roku platform and request any additional information they may have available. 

See more here: https://support.roku.com/article/360004150534-why-is-a-channel-no-longer-available-on-my-roku-streaming-device-

Thanks,
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Re: twitched is dead

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:51 am

RokuTannerD wrote:
Channels may become unavailable for a variety of reasons, including at the request of content owners.
See more here: https://support.roku.com/article/360004150534-why-is-a-channel-no-longer-available-on-my-roku-streaming-device-

Tanner,
Could you please clarify if Roku removed the channel from our devices at the request of the channel developer (details of which disappeared with the channel from both our devices and the Channel Store) or a third party content owner such as Amazon Twitch. Best of all would be a reference to authoritative information about the channel where details such as status, history and instructions on obtaining a refund) are available so we do not have to rely on the increasingly widespread hearsay on the subject.
When Amazon withdrew the Twitch channel from the Store, my recollection is that there was some more appropriate communication.
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Re: twitched is dead

Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:19 am

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Re: twitched is dead

Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:09 am

Elijah_Baley wrote:

Something doesn't smell right here. Why would Roku pick up the tab for someone else's choice to remove a channel?  Nice gesture on their part, if that's what it is, but could set a pricey precedent for them.  Perhaps Amazon will be porting the official app back to Roku?
 
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Re: twitched is dead

Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:41 pm

According to the dev, it was removed at the request of Twitch Interactive by Roku.

https://github.com/FrozenIronSoftware/T ... -510100299

Not sure why Roku lied and said it was removed at the request of the developer...
 
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Re: twitched is dead

Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:04 pm

Bacon wrote:
According to the dev, it was removed at the request of Twitch Interactive by Roku.

https://github.com/FrozenIronSoftware/T ... -510100299

Not sure why Roku lied and said it was removed at the request of the developer...

The official post in this thread said possibly at the request of the content owner, that's different than the channel developer if they are not the content owner.
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Re: twitched is dead

Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:48 am

trekkeriii wrote:
Bacon wrote:
According to the dev, it was removed at the request of Twitch Interactive by Roku.

https://github.com/FrozenIronSoftware/T ... -510100299

Not sure why Roku lied and said it was removed at the request of the developer...

The official post in this thread said possibly at the request of the content owner, that's different than the channel developer if they are not the content owner.

Roku Support and I think even the official reddit account said it was pulled by the developer.
 
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Re: twitched is dead

Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:12 pm

Bacon wrote:
According to the dev, it was removed at the request of Twitch Interactive by Roku.

https://github.com/FrozenIronSoftware/T ... -510100299

Not sure why Roku lied and said it was removed at the request of the developer...

If it was removed at someone's request, then it wasn't Roku who pulled it. They just complied with a request. Now is Twitch Interactive the developer or content owner? It doesn't really matter. Perhaps Roku just switched the two when that post was made. It still points to someone who had authority over the channel requesting it be removed. It wasn't removed by a Roku decision or action.
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Re: twitched is dead

Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:27 am

atc98092 wrote:
Bacon wrote:
According to the dev, it was removed at the request of Twitch Interactive by Roku.

https://github.com/FrozenIronSoftware/T ... -510100299

Not sure why Roku lied and said it was removed at the request of the developer...

If it was removed at someone's request, then it wasn't Roku who pulled it. They just complied with a request. Now is Twitch Interactive the developer or content owner? It doesn't really matter. Perhaps Roku just switched the two when that post was made. It still points to someone who had authority over the channel requesting it be removed. It wasn't removed by a Roku decision or action.

Twitch Interactive is the content owner, but they provide the API for 3rd party apps, and 3rd party apps like Twitchy exist on Apple TV and aren't getting shut down. Only thing I can think of is the Twitched app must have somehow violated their API rules.
 
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Re: twitched is dead

Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:44 pm

Bacon wrote:
Twitch Interactive is the content owner, but they provide the API for 3rd party apps, and 3rd party apps like Twitchy exist on Apple TV and aren't getting shut down. Only thing I can think of is the Twitched app must have somehow violated their API rules.

I think you are right.  More specifically, I think the TwitchApi.brs brightscript file on the author's github is very revealing with lines such at this:

    m.API_RAW = "https://api.twitch.tv/api" ' Twitch Raw (undocumented) endpoint [It's bloody raw - Gordon Ramsay]

    m.API_USHER = "https://usher.ttvnw.net" ' Twitch Raw (undocumented) endpoint

    m.API_VIZIMA = "https://vizima.twitch.tv/api" ' Twitch keyserver API

The currently approved APIs are Twitch API v5 (Kraken) and the New Twitch API (Helix).  The Twitched brightscript use those as well but only indirectly via a middleware server coded in Java.  It also doesn't restrict itself to just Kraken and Helix.

When it comes time for the Roku app to contact Twitch directly for the video stream, it seems like it is coded to use raw/undocumented APIs which I can only imagine are based off of someone reverse engineering Twitch's javascript code or monitoring the network traffic while accessing Twitch.  Just like when serving customers uncooked meat, bad things can happen when serving up an application using raw APIs (see Gordon Ramsay reference above).

My guess is that Roku appeared in Twitch's web server logs making calls to Twitch raw APIs that are intended only to be used by code written by Twitch themselves. It would be around this point in the story when Twitch would reach out to Roku and ask them to stop violating the Twitch Terms of Service by accessing undocumented APIs.  Then Roku, not being in control of the brightscright of Twitched and also not being responsible for modifying it could only offer to take down the channel.  Considering that Amazon is the parent company of Twitch, I think any scenario were Roku hadn't appeased Twitch would have gone really badly for Roku.

The good news is I don't see yet a reason why a pure Twitch documented Helix API client couldn't be coded in brightscript.  The bad news is there is a lot of work to be done to create it and I'm not sure if FrozenIronSoftware was trying to work around limitations in Helix or Roku or if using a raw/undocumented API was just more convenient.
It would be nice if Roku communicated just a little bit better about the specifics of a change instead of pointing to a canned knowledgebase response.  But at the end of the day the canned response really is largely correct and talking in more direct terms about specifics is not going to get us what we want.

If you are missing out on the toxic trolls with guns in Fortnite, you could try the NRA TV channel which (in my somewhat joking opinion) also provides toxic trolls with guns.  That channel also has the benefit of having generated drama on the Roku forums.  :P

Or you could try:

(1) Miracast'ing Twitch from a PC to the Roku (which I have done)

(2) or paying for PlayOn channel/app (I have never used it myself)

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