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Roku Eating 1 Gig An Hour

Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:40 am

ood day,

i recently bought a second roku for the living room cause i've enjoyed the one in the bedroom so much. now the roku in the bedroom is set for 720p and i've monitored the bandwidth usage and it's been nominal. the roku in the living room is set to 1080p on a 4k tv and it seems to eat roughly 1 gig an hour. i understand that there will be more bandwidth on the 1080p setup but as big of a difference as it is should not be the case. in 54 hours we have use 54 gigs and the tv is off between 7pm and 4am. we have avoided downloading anything and only doing a few updates to get a better idea of what the roku is using in bandwidth. 54 gigs in 54 hours is outrageous  compared to our normal consumption.  i've included a image of usage over the past few months. when we connected the roku in the living room about 10 days ago for augest we had only use just over 400 gigs. after hooking up the roku i watch the bandwidth usage rapidly climb. please any suggestions on fixing this problem would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance.

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Re: Roku Eating 1 Gig An Hour

Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:01 am

8 am on the 4th, so 80 hours into the new month and bandwidth usages is setting at 84 gigs. that OVER a gig an hour. really need someone from roku support to weight in on this. thanks
 
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Re: Roku Eating 1 Gig An Hour

Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:11 am

1G an hour is probably light... lighter than it is at my house.

When you consider:
Netflix/Amazon maintain a 'decent' bit rate for 1080p (some would argue they're 'bit rate starved' and sub-standard)... in the neighborhood of 3.5 to 4.5 Mbps. At my house when I encode at 3.7 (normally) the file size is about 1.7G per hour with the 5.1 audio track. A little heavier than your 1G an hour numbers.

There's no need for staff to figure out why and how 1080p is more costly on your cap than 720p.
You'd better be siting down if those 4K streams ever materialize. Bit rates of 80-120Mbps will stagger the imagination.
 
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Re: Roku Eating 1 Gig An Hour

Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:13 am

I mean, there's a lot of factors, but 1-1.5gb per hour isn't unheard of for 1080p streaming.

EDIT:

A little googling about Netflix.  "Medium" which is 720 is roughly .7GB/hr streaming and high is 3GB/hr of streaming.  So yeah, using netflix, going from 720 to 1080 would vastly increase your bandwidth usage.
 
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Re: Roku Eating 1 Gig An Hour

Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:24 am

twiceover wrote:
I mean, there's a lot of factors, but 1-1.5gb per hour isn't unheard of for 1080p streaming.

EDIT:

A little googling about Netflix.  "Medium" which is 720 is roughly .7GB/hr streaming and high is 3GB/hr of streaming.  So yeah, using netflix, going from 720 to 1080 would vastly increase your bandwidth usage.

Yep, and if the title you're watching has a lot of action, those Netflix / Amazon encoders are really going to pump up the volume on the bit rates. They don't want any shenanigans downstream - like pixelation of the car chase scenes in Bullit (1968).
 
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Re: Roku Eating 1 Gig An Hour

Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:26 am

DubTaylor wrote:
1G an hour is probably light... lighter than it is at my house.

When you consider:
Netflix/Amazon maintain a 'decent' bit rate for 1080p (some would argue they're 'bit rate starved' and sub-standard)... in the neighborhood of 3.5 to 4.5 Mbps. At my house when I encode at 3.7 (normally) the file size is about 1.7G per hour with the 5.1 audio track. A little heavier than your 1G an hour numbers.

There's no need for staff to figure out why and how 1080p is more costly on your cap than 720p.
You'd better be siting down if those 4K streams ever materialize. Bit rates of 80-120Mbps will stagger the imagination.

1 gig an hour is not light by any means. i have had the roku in the bedroom for months and been monitoring the bandwidth usage and it's never been anywhere near i gig an hour. as i stated the difference between 720p and 1080p cannot be enough to explain the jump in usage.
 
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Re: Roku Eating 1 Gig An Hour

Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:38 am

Looking at bit rates in general - 1G an hour is Fischer Price rates, man. The low of the low. Some hardcore MakeMKV BluRay guys/gals won't even watch something that's been as much as 'breathed on' by an encoder - raw BD bit rates for 1080p can easily top 30Mbps - and yes that would be something like 30G an hour. Give or take a bit. A little bit.

You can't get 10 tons of cabbage on a 5 ton truck.
If you want to see a reasonable facsimile of 1080p you're going to have to pay the bit rate price for it - and Netflix/Amazon prices are already deep-discount. 

Really, if you look at it objectively and without any kind of bias - Netflix/Amazon 1080p bit rates are so starved, you might not even be able to tell the difference in 1080 and 720 and if you can you may not be able to justify the 1080p cost when you see the difference... there just ain't that much difference.

I recently added Netflix streaming to my DVD/BluRay package for a family member that doesn't care about the World's Worst UI. The 'basic' package. 480p. On a good Day. Looks fine to us (but we are a bit on the ancient side).
 
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Re: Roku Eating 1 Gig An Hour

Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:54 am

My question to the poster is if one isn't penalized monetarily or ones bandwidth isn't capped or restricted in anyway what's the difference how much bandwidth is being consumed? I'm with Verizon and use their FIOS service and though i don't have a 4K setup they don't care how much i use. Just asking. Are you being penalized in anyway?
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Re: Roku Eating 1 Gig An Hour

Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:40 pm

ronfelder wrote:
My question to the poster is if one isn't penalized monetarily or ones bandwidth isn't capped or restricted in anyway what's the difference how much bandwidth is being consumed? I'm with Verizon and use their FIOS service and though i don't have a 4K setup they don't care how much i use. Just asking. Are you being penalized in anyway?


rather phone or cable internet almost all of us have a cap. mine is 1 terabyte a month. as you can see from the chart my usage is usually nicely below that. now to DubTaylor i'd like to lock this to 720p instead of the 1080p. as stated from a viewing stand point there is very little difference, but when i went into settings all i was presented with was 1080 or 4k. there must be something i can do on my end to force it down to 720p. thanks
 
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Re: Roku Eating 1 Gig An Hour

Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:45 pm

mg2635599 wrote:
ronfelder wrote:
My question to the poster is if one isn't penalized monetarily or ones bandwidth isn't capped or restricted in anyway what's the difference how much bandwidth is being consumed? I'm with Verizon and use their FIOS service and though i don't have a 4K setup they don't care how much i use. Just asking. Are you being penalized in anyway?


rather phone or cable internet almost all of us have a cap. mine is 1 terabyte a month. as you can see from the chart my usage is usually nicely below that. now to DubTaylor i'd like to lock this to 720p instead of the 1080p. as stated from a viewing stand point there is very little difference, but when i went into settings all i was presented with was 1080 or 4k. there must be something i can do on my end to force it down to 720p. thanks

Well, there should be.
What happens if you force the 4k TV to 720 in the Roku Settings?
Can you force 720?

Note:
I just checked by Roku Ultra Settings - plugged into a 1080p TV - and the option for 720 does exist... you have to scroll a bit - 720 was not immediately visible.

Note 2: For my 1080p TV, ALL the various options for 4K Display appear (for what reason I can't imagine) - so I would be quite surprised and bummed, if you can't change to 720.
 
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Re: Roku Eating 1 Gig An Hour

Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:25 pm

right after my last post i went back in and checked the settings again and was able to scroll down to and set 720p. currently at 92 gigs at 85 hours into the month or 1.08 gigs an hour on the 1080p setting. will check again somewhere between 6pm and apm and see what kind of difference i get with the 720p  setting and post back. thanks guys for the input and help, much appreciated.

now a not for the board admins, need to unblock the browsec vpn ip's. i had to turn it off to login.
 
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Re: Roku Eating 1 Gig An Hour

Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:32 pm

mg2635599 wrote:
right after my last post i went back in and checked the settings again and was able to scroll down to and set 720p. currently at 92 gigs at 85 hours into the month or 1.08 gigs an hour on the 1080p setting. will check again somewhere between 6pm and apm and see what kind of difference i get with the 720p  setting and post back. thanks guys for the input and help, much appreciated.

now a not for the board admins, need to unblock the browsec vpn ip's. i had to turn it off to login.

Cool.
You could probably leave it on 720, but on the weekends/gatherings/special occasions turn it up a notch - if it matters. You should also be aware that if you run a Plex Server you may trigger a whole lot of transcodes you never had to endure before, but you know how to fix it in that case.
 
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Re: Roku Eating 1 Gig An Hour

Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:45 pm

mg2635599 wrote:
ronfelder wrote:
My question to the poster is if one isn't penalized monetarily or ones bandwidth isn't capped or restricted in anyway what's the difference how much bandwidth is being consumed? I'm with Verizon and use their FIOS service and though i don't have a 4K setup they don't care how much i use. Just asking. Are you being penalized in anyway?


rather phone or cable internet almost all of us have a cap. mine is 1 terabyte a month. as you can see from the chart my usage is usually nicely below that. now to DubTaylor i'd like to lock this to 720p instead of the 1080p. as stated from a viewing stand point there is very little difference, but when i went into settings all i was presented with was 1080 or 4k. there must be something i can do on my end to force it down to 720p. thanks


Nope no cap or throttling.
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Re: Roku Eating 1 Gig An Hour

Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:28 pm

DubTaylor wrote:
mg2635599 wrote:
right after my last post i went back in and checked the settings again and was able to scroll down to and set 720p. currently at 92 gigs at 85 hours into the month or 1.08 gigs an hour on the 1080p setting. will check again somewhere between 6pm and apm and see what kind of difference i get with the 720p  setting and post back. thanks guys for the input and help, much appreciated.

now a not for the board admins, need to unblock the browsec vpn ip's. i had to turn it off to login.

Cool.
You could probably leave it on 720, but on the weekends/gatherings/special occasions turn it up a notch - if it matters. You should also be aware that if you run a Plex Server you may trigger a whole lot of transcodes you never had to endure before, but you know how to fix it in that case.


not concerned about plex cause i have it available via webos on the tv, so everything i share from my system goes straight through the modem to the tv. no internet bandwidth used for it.

ronfelder i said MOST not all.
 
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Re: Roku Eating 1 Gig An Hour

Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:27 am

ok it's 124 hours into the new month and 135 gigs of data used with the roku set at 7209/p, which means 1.088 gigs a hour still being used. in other wirds the lower setting hasn't jelped. i did a test with the tv's wifi disabled and no decrease. done test ob the pc on the off chance and they're fine, so ihe roku is still eating the bandwidth. 

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