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Improving developer.roku.com

Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:55 pm

Beginning of 2015, a new/replacement portal for Roku developers was introduced: http://developer.roku.com
It was riddled with problems, some of which logged at viewtopic.php?f=34&t=86068

Fast-forward 6mo later, i haven't dealt with channel properties for a while but today went to create a new one. I haven't heard complaints lately, so i figured developer.roku.com must be working now and went there. Nuh-uh. It still seems unusable and - i'll go on a limb here but - untested.

Here is an example, i am creating a free channel and eventually reach this "Channel Pricing" screen which is - how shall i put it - very skeptical about wanting to make it free:
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"Free? No-no-no, we don't want your kind. It has to be either paid, subscription or in-app purchase. Choose one or you shall not pass."

Umm, WAT? I balked. Later i tried to go back to the Pricing screen to take a snapshot. Ha, guess what? "Pricing" is not in the menu:
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After some poking around, It's kind of reachable but only through clicking "Save" from one of the other screens. From which one, It's anybody's guess.
a clue, old site
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So what's the word?
Is the new-site-nobody-asked-about abandoned?
Is http://owner.roku.com/Developer the one to use?
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Re: Is developer.roku.com officially dead?

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:09 am

I saw that pricing screen once about a week ago, too, and was equally as confused by it. In my case, it was on a private channel, which makes it even more confounding. I haven't seen it again, since, though. A month or so ago, I was also presented with an error that refused to let me update a channel without providing screenshots (again, a private channel, where screenshots are useless). Whenever possible, I use owner.roku.com.

Side note.. agario, eh? :P
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Re: Is developer.roku.com officially dead?

Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:09 pm

When you click on Add Public Channel, the first thing you should see is this:

https://developer.roku.com/apps/create/public

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That is where you choose to create a free vs a paid channel.

If you want to change it later, you can go to the Channel Properties page to uncheck or check some of the properties.

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Re: Is developer.roku.com officially dead?

Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:13 pm

RokuJoel -
it's a private and free channel. I don't remember if i saw the screen you show - but if i did, i would have chosen "No". Regardless, it still shows the hidden (and obnoxious) "Pricing" screen. Here are some proof from other screens (in case i needed any):
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By the way - one more issue seen on the 2nd screen: Notice the ": 0.00 EUR" and ": 0.00 USD" lines? I figure those must be 2 recently added countries, for which names were not added to the DB. France and... Mexico? (does Mexico use USD as currency? i have heard it to be called "peso")
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Re: Is developer.roku.com officially dead?

Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:18 pm

RokuJoel wrote:
When you click on Add Public Channel, the first thing you should see is this:

https://developer.roku.com/apps/create/public

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That is where you choose to create a free vs a paid channel.

If you want to change it later, you can go to the Channel Properties page to uncheck or check some of the properties.

- Joel

Hey Joel, when I was prompted, it was on an existing private channel. I was never asked that initial question, so you might want to have your web folks make sure it's not defaulting to true for all existing channels. The only way I was able to bypass it was to switch to the old site.
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Re: Is developer.roku.com officially dead?

Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:11 am

TheEndless wrote:
Side note.. agario, eh? :P

Nothing gets past you, ey?! :)
You a fan?
 
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Re: Is developer.roku.com officially dead?

Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:57 pm

EnTerr wrote:
TheEndless wrote:
Side note.. agario, eh? :P

Nothing gets past you, ey?! :)
You a fan?

I was until it consumed all of my free time :P
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Re: Is developer.roku.com officially dead?

Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:50 am

TheEndless wrote:
I was until it consumed all of my free time :P
It's a doge-eat-doge world out there, consume or be consumed :mrgreen:
 
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Re: Is developer.roku.com officially dead?

Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:09 pm

EnTerr wrote:
By the way - one more issue seen on the 2nd screen: Notice the ": 0.00 EUR" and ": 0.00 USD" lines? I figure those must be 2 recently added countries, for which names were not added to the DB. France and... Mexico? (does Mexico use USD as currency? i have heard it to be called "peso")

I keep noticing Mexico and France still have no name in the dev.portal (both new and old). See picture above.
It's been 6 months since Roku opened appstores for France and Mexico - feels offensive to said countries, mais non?
Somebody with thumbs - please fix that omission.
 
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Re: Is developer.roku.com officially dead?

Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:49 pm

At what URL are the country names missing? When I go to create channel I see all the regions.

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Re: Is developer.roku.com officially dead?

Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:28 pm

RokuJoel wrote:
At what URL are the country names missing?

"Details" tab, like per above photo. There might be others but i suspect fixing this will fix the rest.

Here, I took new screenshots just in case:
owner.roku.com
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developer.roku.com
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Re: Is developer.roku.com officially dead?

Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:01 pm

Ah, ok. I'll let the web team know. Now let's please let this ancient thread become officially dead!

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Re: Is developer.roku.com officially dead?

Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:11 pm

Ahem... it's not "ancient", it's from November, <6mo old.

And developer.roku.com is still not production-ready somehow - after a whopping year of being introduced (cue: sales and transaction reports are much, MUCH worse than owner.developer.com's - practically useless when having lots of installs). Whose fault is it somebody could not get their cascading-style sheets together for a whole year? Don't shoot the messenger, please... tempting as it may be.

PS. i thought maybe i am too harsh to the "new" site. Maybe i was unfair. Maybe it got fixed. So i went tonight and tried to use it in good faith for a simple beta channel update, just went through all pages. But lo and behold, it still does not work:
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What fresh heel is this? It's like a bug "turducken":
  1. it seems to not like a perfectly valid description (see same exact text, correctly rendered and everything at the public https://channelstore.roku.com/details/75560 )
  2. Diagnostic text makes no sense - why is it talking about "keywords" at the "web description" box
  3. And of course it won't let me save, insisting i should fix this that ain't broken - yet can't tell me why
 
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Re: Is developer.roku.com officially dead?

Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:17 pm

I want to kill this thread because the title may be confusing to new developers coming to this forum for the first time. I'm going to attempt to rename it "Improving the developer.roku.com site".

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Re: Is developer.roku.com officially dead?

Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:13 pm

RokuJoel wrote:
I want to kill this thread because the title may be confusing to new developers coming to this forum for the first time. I'm going to attempt to rename it "Improving the developer.roku.com site".

You have a good point there, "dead" in the name might be scary, although "alive and well" the developer.roku.com ain't.
Can we settle on a middle ground, like "The troubled^ developer.roku.com"?

In truth, i think me and many (most?) other developers will be happy if "the new" site gets killed altogether because it is nothing more than mascara on top of the web services that https://owner.roku.com/Developer/ provides - but unlike the "old" site, the "new" one actually has serious problems. In private conversations top Roku developers (plural) have told me they avoid developer.roku.com as much as possible. Nobody has said a good word, that's for sure.

Surely back-pedaling won't be popular with management but if the issues have not been fixed for a 12 months, when will that happen? Looking at the photo above, it's obvious no QA has not spent even 5 minutes reviewing the screen. It has not been tested, plain and simple.

Alternative proposal, how about this - instead of killing "new" site, how about when outside developers waste hours fighting with the "new" portal, we get to bill RokuCo for the squandered time? Internally the Co. is can to cost-share/endorse such bills to the web team. Something tells me the issues will get fixed "presto change-o" :twisted:

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